Tuesday, February 15, 2011

Smoking Ban to be Repealed Tomorrow?

I predict that it will.

There is a meeting tomorrow at the Campbell County Fiscal Courthouse at 7:00 PM that will, more than likely, produce a vote.

If all county commissioners vote as they said they would (Painter, Garrett, Rechtin), the ban that would have gone into affect would be repealed.

Whether or not you agree with this, four Campbell County bars have voluntarily gone smoke free, and many restaurants are doing the same. I can quote many different arguments for and against, but at the end of the day, the free market and the invisible hand of our capitalistic nature will do (and should do) the choosing for us.

I don't have the statistics, but it seems as if the anecdotal evidence (on this blog at least) points to a vocal majority who have a desire for smoke free restaurants. But perhaps it's just the squeaky wheel factor. I'd like to hear some comments for repeal of the ban.

17 comments:

Anonymous said...

Wake up you moran, second hand smoke kills.

Laura said...

Your attempt at a junvenile insult falls flat when you aren't able to spell; moron.

Anonymous said...

I can see both sides of the issue but I still support a ban. As an aside, I went to the Pub for dinner on Saturday early evening. The food was really good. There were very few people there at that time and we sat in the back room and the smokey smell was still disgusting. Probably will have to wait til summer to eat there again.

Anonymous said...

Very disappointing if the Commissioners take this step. If so, hopefully they'll be voted out next election. It may be a moot point since the Kentucky legislature is considering a statewide ban.

Anonymous said...

As a smoker I can tell you that most smokers want to quit. The more social stigma attached to this nasty habit, the less I want to smoke. I have been to Reds and Bengals games and managed to refrain for hours. To me, every little bit helps.
Some don't think the government should interfere, but I would ask Do you feel the same way about the health department controlling what goes on in the kitchen? This is a government agency telling food service establishments what and how to store and prepare food. The reason is obvious - public health. Smoking bans are no differnet in my mind.

Anonymous said...

What 4 bars have voluntarily gone smoke free??

Anonymous said...

Then stay out of places that allow smoking.

Newbie1 said...

I support the ban for personal reasons. I don't smoke and don't want to subject my family to it. So we don't go to places that allow smoking. It's a bummer as I'd like to take everyone out to 915 for a burger. But at the same time who says a business should be forced to tell their customers they cannot smoke. I didn't invest in their business. If they believe their business is more profitable when customers are allowed to smoke indoors, then us nonsmokers that don't want that atmosphere can go elsewhere. We’ll reap the benefits of their tax dollars as well as the smokers. My only concern is for children who are brought there as they don't always have the choice. The real issue is the huge drain smoking has on our healthcare system. Which the smoking ban may put a small dent in, but will in reality push the smokers elsewhere.

Berz J. Wagner said...

Um, maybe you shouldn't call people moron's if you can't spell it....

Anonymous said...

Well, to anonymous above -- you misspelled moron...so, who is the moron?
And to the issue that second hand smoke kills -- I think that research has proven that, and I'm sure that the writer knows that. To that point, I want to be the one to make the choices as to what businesses I will support. If a business owner chooses to allow smoking on his/her premises, it should be my choice as to whether I will frequent that establishment. I don't like smoking, but I also do like government thinking that I am too stupid to make a choice as to whether I will be around second hand smoke or not. Wake up people....the more you allow government to intrude on your citizen rights, the more it will happen and one day you may wake up with NO rights!

Anonymous said...

"Wake up you moran, second hand smoke kills."

Hanging out in Over-The-Rhine could get me killed - that's why I avoid going there. Mouthing off to a crazed person with a weapon could get me killed - that's why I don't do that. Since I'm not that great of a swimmer, I avoid getting in deep water without a life jacket - I could die. Now, assuming that second hand smoke is as lethal as you think it is, why not just avoid it? Don't work or go to those places that "force" you to be around smokers. It's pretty simple.

"...the free market and the invisible hand of our capitalistic nature will do (and should do) the choosing for us."
Truer words were never spoken.

Noonan said...

Mark, time and again the invisible hand has given us the finger, both as a community and a country. The right to run a business without undue government interference is a necessity, but there aren't enough good reasons to oppose this ban. I keep hearing quotes about how businesses will close, but the outcomes from other communities don't support that and in many cases support the opposite.

I suppose if we lived in a country where we didn't pay such extortionate prices for such mediocre heath care it wouldn't be quite as big of a deal. Even if that weren't the case I couldn't help concluding that the ban would improve the quality of life in our community and save us money in the long term.

Anonymous said...

Sometimes I get really mad when I go to White Castle and they don't serve veggie burgers. I mean if I want to eat a healthy veggie burger shouldn't I be legally allowed to? It's better in the long run if everyone ate less meat right and it's important that everyone else teaches my kids to eat more vegetables. It would probably lower healthcare costs too.

This is a serious issue and sarcasm (like above) doesn't encourage a rational and reasoned debate. Neither does name calling for that matter. Both sides have valid and reasoned arguments and neither side is benefited by belittling the other.

Anonymous said...

the market should and will determine if smoking should be allowed in public places. the smoking ban is not being enforced in many places in ohio and the new york city police said they would not enforce it because no one funded the mandate. yes the bigger chains will comply, and the new downtown casino will comply. but that will be one of several reasons it is doomed for failure. las vegas has one of the most oppresive smoking bans in the united states, but they were wise enough to leave the casinos alone. most of the casinos there have smoking and non smoking sections.

Anonymous said...

Where in Ohio is the smoking ban not being enforced? I often frequent restaurants and bars in Ohio and have never seen one example of what the previous poster is talking about. Smoking bans work and there should be one in Northern Kentucky. That battle may have been lost for the moment, but it's far from over.

Anonymous said...

I've seen the 915 Bar and Grill used a lot as an example in arguments about the smoking ban (on Facebook, other blogs). I love their food, but we have only eaten inside one time with our kids because of the smoking. However, we order take out all the time. So, while the smoking bothers us, they still get our business.

I do feel badly for the employees that have to deal with the smoking. For the person who suggested getting another job, that isn't always easy to do. Its not that simple for some people to find other employment.

However, I do think there could be some compromise. There is a difference between bars that serve just alcohol and then restaurants and bars and grills. I support non-smoking in restaurants or bars that serve food. You could also make the law stand in place until a certain hour such as 10 p.m. so that you protect children who don't have the choice when it comes to breathing in second-hand smoke.

I guess I don't mind making my own choice on where we eat and we never eat inside a restaurant where smoking is permitted. Rio Grande is another that we get take out from because of the smoking section.

Anonymous said...

Agree with most everything you said. Perfectly reasonable opinions. I'm a non-smoker, but believe in the freedom of choice: among business owners and patrons who choose which businesses to give their money to.

Vote with your dollars and your time.

Saying that, at the 915 pretty much all their employees smoke - mostly in plain site while working, so I don't feel for them at all.